What if the church youβre looking for doesnβt meet in a building on Sunday mornings?
In this conversation, I sit down with Kevin E Beasley βa disciple-making multiplier, coach, and recovering traditional pastorβto explore an ancient-yet-radical approach to Christian community. Kevin helps everyday believers love like Jesus and live like missionaries right where they already are: at work, in their neighborhoods, with their families.
After years in church and business leadership, Kevin devoted his life to equipping people to multiply disciples through simple, reproducible, Spirit-led communities.
As Southeast Regional Director for the Missionary Church Connect region and co-leader of the National Network of Disciple Makers, Kevin is seeing the church rediscover its original designβtransformational communities multiplying in the power of the Spirit.
This episode is for anyone whoβs ever felt spiritually hungry despite regular church attendance, anyone wrestling with what authentic Christian community really looks like, and anyone sensing God might be calling them to something beyond the Sunday morning experience.
What Youβll Discover
On Spiritual Poverty and Godβs Pursuit
Kevin shares his upbringing in rural North Alabama marked by what he calls βspiritual povertyββa family with no knowledge of Jesus, growing up in a cycle that felt inescapable. Yet even in that environment, God pursued him through small moments and faithful neighbors. His story reminds us that Godβs reach extends far beyond church buildings and religious programs.
The Crisis in Traditional Church Leadership
Sitting in his third hour of a staff meeting trying to keep big givers from leaving, Kevin experienced a Holy Spirit confrontation: βIf Iβm lying on my deathbed 40-50 years from now and this is how I spent my life, I would be miserable.β That moment launched him toward radical obedienceβwalking away from salary, status, and the American church model heβd invested years building.
When Sundays Hit Differently
Without a building and weekly services, Kevin admits Sundays can feel painful. Traditional ministry offers βfleshly satisfactionββseeing everyone in one room, hearing people call you βpastor,β having visible productivity. In organic disciple-making, your flesh gets βripped apartβ as you trade recognition for faithful obedience in small, often invisible ways.
The Partnership Model
This isnβt about tearing down traditional churches. Kevin sees a beautiful partnership: attractional churches reaching people who might never encounter Jesus otherwise, while organic movements meet people where they are and multiply disciples through everyday relationships. The kingdom needs both.
Apostolic Gifting and Creating Pathways
Many Christians sense Godβs call but donβt know what to do next. Kevin explains how apostolic gifting focuses on creating clear, reproducible pathwaysβseeing the forest while evangelists see the trees. About 80% of believers arenβt designed to create these pathways themselves; they need someone to show them the way.
The Cost of Multiplication
Kevin shares the story of a missionary in a restricted nation where the average lifespan after coming to Christ is 36 days. Thatβs the kind of costly discipleship the early church knew. While we might not face the same persecution, authentic disciple-making still requires dying to self, comfort, and the approval of others.
Key Timestamps
[00:00:00] Kevinβs opening reflection on hopelessness and transformation
[00:03:01] Growing up in spiritual poverty in rural North Alabama
[00:07:24] First encounters with Jesus through VBS and faithful neighbors
[00:12:42] The 15-day fast that changed everything
[00:16:30] Journey through traditional church planting and leadership
[00:22:15] The staff meeting that became a Holy Spirit confrontation
[00:28:45] Walking away from salary and status for radical obedience
[00:35:20] What a simple/organic church actually looks like
[00:41:10] When Sundays hit differently without a building
[00:47:30] The partnership between attractional and organic churches
[00:53:45] Understanding apostolic gifting and creating pathways
[00:58:20] Why most believers struggle to know their next step
[01:01:02] The forest and the treesβapostles vs. evangelists
[01:04:07] Resources and next steps for the curious
Quotes Worth Remembering
On Godβs Pursuit:
βI can remember being completely hopeless and helpless and thinking that the rest of my life was gonna be like what Iβd seen from all the rest of my family. Literally the birds were singing for the first time in my life. Everything looked different.β
On Radical Obedience:
βI was sitting in a staff meeting on a Monday morning, our third hour trying to figure out how to keep the biggest givers from leaving. The Holy Spirit confronted meβif Iβm lying on my deathbed 40-50 years from now and this is how I spent my life, I would be miserable.β
On Flesh vs. Spirit:
βWhen you donβt have a building, Sundays hit differently. Itβs fleshly satisfyingβpeople knowing who I am, calling me pastor, listening to me talk for 45 minutes. None of that exists in the organic world. Your flesh just gets ripped apart.β
On Costly Discipleship:
βHeβs a missionary to that country and the average lifespan of someone after theyβve come to know Jesus is 36 days. Itβs unbelievable.β
Brandonβs Reflection:
βEvery day I feel so deeply unworthy and incapable of doing what I feel God is pushing me to do.β
Resources & Next Steps
Connect with Kevin Beasley:
Substack/Website: Kevin E. Beasley
Take his APEST assessment to determine your disciple-making spiritual gifts
For Those Feeling the Pull:
If youβre sensing God might be calling you to something beyond Sunday morning attendance, start here:
Pray and listen - Ask God to show you if Heβs inviting you into this kind of ministry
Explore the resources - Visit Kevinβs sites and dig into the practical tools available
Start where you are - You donβt need to leave your church to begin living missionally
Reach out to Kevin - Heβs genuinely accessible and passionate about helping people find their pathway
Why This Matters for Order Within Community
This conversation addresses something many of us have been wrestling withβthe gap between institutional church experience and authentic spiritual community. Kevinβs journey from traditional pastor to organic disciple-maker mirrors the kind of radical obedience God calls each of us toward in different ways.
Whether youβre called to traditional church leadership, organic movements, or simply faithful presence in your everyday contexts, the core principle remains: Are you willing to let God strip away the fleshly satisfactions of recognition, comfort, and visible success in exchange for deeper obedience?
Kevin reminds us that the kingdom needs different kinds of workers. Some plant, some water, some create pathways, some walk those pathways, and invite others along.
The question isnβt which model is βbetterββitβs which calling God has placed on your specific life.
For those of us whoβve felt like spiritual βblack sheep,β Kevinβs work offers both validation and direction.
Youβre not crazy for wanting something more. Youβre not wrong for questioning if Sunday morning is enough. God might be inviting you into a different kind of faithful obedienceβone that looks more like the early church than modern American Christianity.
Closing Reflection
God reaches out to us constantly. Kevin said it at the beginning of our conversation, and itβs worth repeating: whatever youβre feeling, whatever pull you sense, just answer it. Let Him lead you one step at a time.
You donβt have to have it all figured out. You donβt need the complete pathway laid out before you take the first step. You just need to be willing to say yes to what Heβs showing you right now, today, in this moment.
Maybe thatβs reaching out to Kevin to learn more. Maybe itβs starting to pray about living more missionally where you already are. Maybe itβs simply acknowledging that God might be calling you to something that doesnβt fit the traditional mold.
Whatever it isβanswer the call. Take the step. Trust that He who began a good work in you will be faithful to complete it.
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